Unless my son grows up and is a candidate, I'll never watch that crap again. Total BS.
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Unless my son grows up and is a candidate, I'll never watch that crap again. Total BS.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: UTVols2</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> ...Maybe ESPN had something to do with it.
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I would not be suprised. ESPN practically controls the sporting world.
guys, its really not that big of a deal. They gave the damn thing to Derrick Strait over Sean Taylor. Did you really expect any logic here?
Not really but there is always hope [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img]
Clay Travis ( http://www.claytravis.net ) makes a very good point...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Last night Eric Berry got screwed out of the Thorpe Award. Which left me wondering how his stats compared to Charles Woodson's stats from 1997--aka the year that Peyton Manning got screwed by ESPN. Let's check out the numbers.
In 1997 Woodson had 8 interceptions that he returned for a grand total of 7 yards (with no touchdowns), 47 tackles, 5 tackles for a loss and 1 sack. On offense and special teams he had 12 receptions for 238 yards and two touchdowns, and 36 punt returns (for an average of 8.1 yards) with 1 returned for a touchdown. Here are the stats for your own perusal.
In 2008 Eric Berry had 72 tackles, 8.5 of those were tackles for a loss, 3 were sacks. He had 7 interceptions which he returned for a total of 265 yards, and two of those interceptions were returned for touchdowns. On offense Berry rushed 7 times for 37 yards and had 1 catch for 3 yards. He returned no punts and just one kickoff. Here are Berry's stats.
So comparing these two performances, Woodson had one more total touchdown than Berry, one more interception, and returned punts--one of which went for a touchdown. Berry finished with 25 more tackles, 3.5 more tackles for a loss, 2 more sacks, and, most significantly 258 more return yards on those interceptions. So even if you add in the receiving yardage that Woodson had in 2007 (238 total yards), Berry still outgained Woodson by 20 yards simply by returning his picks. Plus, and this may or may not be key, Berry is a sophomore and Woodson was a junior in these respective seasons.
Now, the only real distinguishing factor is the punt returns. Woodson returned 36 for an average of 8.1 yards with a single touchdown. Which, to be honest, is not that impressive. Don't believe me? Gerald Jones averaged 10.0 yards per punt return for the Vols this year. Do we really believe that if Berry had returned 36 punts he would have done any worse than Woodson? I don't.
So statistically these two seasons are a wash. Berry was every bit the player in 2008that Woodson was in 1997. Michigan fans may argue that Woodson's team was better, and this is indisputable, Michigan won the co-national title in 1997. But was Michigan's defense actually better? Because otherwise you're rewarding Woodson for Michigan's offense of which he had but limited participation. Tennessee's defense finished ranked 4th in the nation in total defense. Where was Michigan in 1997? I can't find it online. But even if Michigan had the best defense in the country the fungible difference between 1 and 4 is inconsequential.
Conclusion: Charles Woodson's 1997 season was no better than Eric Berry's 2008 season.
So at the very least Berry was invited to New York for the ceremony, right?
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wow, berry got royally dicked
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Biggin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
but he is jus a sophomore, that may be why he didnt win.
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yeah, they use that logic sometimes "Oh, he's got a couple more years to go". The thing is, we see it every year...an excellent player has his career ended by injury. I agree with the rest of you. He was the best by head and shoulders this year.
Sadly, there are 4-5 guys I would put above Jenkins to even be in the Top 3 in this award.
If I could give out the award I would've gave it to Eric Berry in a heart beat but you guys are some what baised to. Malcolm Jenkins is a damn good football player, have you ever seen the kid play?
I think Berry should've got the award but Jenkins isn't a bad pick either!
Oh I know he is a good player but to best DB in NCAA Div 1 is a stretch. There have been a couple others who have had better seasons this year and EB happened to be one of them. Victor Harris is another, Michael Hamlin, D.J. Moore, Trimane Goddard, etc. This isn't based on a career, this is based on a season and his wasn't all that great IMO.